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plastic041 38 seconds ago [-]
They should have refined the site before launching it. CSS were not loading (fixed), images are not loading (not fixed), meaningless cursor changes, buttons were not working...
Also, it's funny that a site with only one chatbot to have this amazing domain.
lrvick 3 hours ago [-]
It is a lot more honest than I would have expected.
"Entering or remaining in the U.S. Capitol without lawful authority, using force, obstructing Congress, or demonstrating inside Capitol buildings is a federal crime. A President encouraging it does not make it legal."
pkthunder 14 minutes ago [-]
“When do I get my tariff refund check?”
> There is no known tariff refund check for consumers
“When do I get my DOGE check?”
> There is no known DOGE check
Maybe third time is the charm?
Cookingboy 3 hours ago [-]
Yeah it even admitted that Biden won the 2020 election. I'm honestly surprised haha.
walrus01 2 hours ago [-]
It also seems to strongly disagree with RFK's public stance of the safety and efficacy of the full series of standard childhood vaccines.
twothreeone 2 hours ago [-]
Cough we're still waiting for those alignment dollars to really kick-in!!1
walrus01 3 hours ago [-]
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maherbeg 11 hours ago [-]
OK, there's a lot of negative comments here, but this is a great idea at a high level. It really is hard to figure out where to do a thing and it's also very easy to get phished. If they can figure out how to help people get all the services they're eligible for that'll be an amazing improvement for the people.
gthrow12345 9 hours ago [-]
I agree in general, but how do you resolve the problem that people will take the output of the chatbot as authoritative even when it could possibly have errors or miss important nuance? People being lead astray with information from the government could lead to very serious consequences, up to and including imprisonment.
Honest question, I had the same issue when my work wanted me to stick a chatbot in front of our HR portal and I never resolved it to my satisfaction.
rayiner 5 hours ago [-]
> but how do you resolve the problem that people will take the output of the chatbot as authoritative even when it could possibly have errors or miss important nuance
You have to measure that problem against the status quo, which is that current government websites are very hard to understand and leave people with very little idea of what’s going on.
Giving people a big list of life events isn’t nearly as easy as allowing them to just type in what’s going on and having an LLM figure out what’s relevant to them.
doc_ick 2 hours ago [-]
It isn’t nearly as easy but it’s more reliable whereas using an llm is prone to unknown hallucinations (also ignoring the obvious ethical considerations of llms).
Cost, accuracy for the user, trustworthiness for the administrators, public perception, unknown future trajectory…
andrewflnr 1 hours ago [-]
One of the only things more dangerous than ignorance is false confidence. An official USG chatbot potentially makes things much worse.
kulahan 16 minutes ago [-]
Better remove humans from the equation, then.
toofy 3 minutes ago [-]
no. humans can be held accountable and learn from their mistakes.
they can be taught where they went wrong.
if a pattern emerges they can be moved to a role more fitting for them. or removed from a project entirely.
we can judge their effectiveness from past performance.
we can put them in less important roles and gauge whether or not they should be moved up.
so, no, pretending that the correct route forward is to “remove humans entirely” is silly tier thinking.
joemazerino 2 hours ago [-]
And people take chatbots as authoritative already.
dukeyukey 4 hours ago [-]
That's just not true, a flow on gov.uk can involve a lot of pages but they are exceedingly clear and easy to navigate.
dan-robertson 3 hours ago [-]
The parent was obviously talking about the US government. But the UK still has plenty of legacy websites and even on the new websites there are sometimes complicated or hard to understand rules one must follow. I think a bigger thing in the UK though is that, for the most part, legislation (and legal contracts) tend to be drafted in less arcane language while still being reasonably precise, compared to the US
tokioyoyo 3 hours ago [-]
> a flow on gov.uk can involve a lot of pages
Isn’t that one of the biggest reasons why an average user gives up and closes the tab?
latexr 4 hours ago [-]
Speak for yourself (your country). In the EU I have interacted with several government websites which are better, faster, clearer than most other websites. Not always perfect (what is) but not frustrating either. People love to complain, but year over year I have seen steady improvements in usability. Phone support has always been better than any commercial entity, too (or it was, I haven’t needed it in years).
To enhance the status quo you don’t need LLMs, you need people who care.
stldev 4 hours ago [-]
100% this.
When you need to work with the government, the last thing you want is a program limited by a specific set of rules and interfaces. You want a person who understands your (sometimes unique) issue, who knows how things actually work, and can work around the restrictions imposed upon programs. Someone who can pick up a phone, help you out of bureaucratic corners.
rayiner 4 hours ago [-]
U.S. government websites are usually pretty good post-Obama. But any structured website is too complicated for a lot of the population to navigate. They don’t even know what agency does the thing they need.
godelski 4 hours ago [-]
> To enhance the status quo you don’t need LLMs, you need people who care.
Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy seems to always come into play. The second group tends to win over time as their objective is easier to satisfy
ToucanLoucan 4 hours ago [-]
As an American, I've never had issues navigating government websites. That said, I'm also not part of the apparently huge portion of our population who can't read above 6th grade, which I suspect is more of the issue than anything said here thus far.
kulahan 14 minutes ago [-]
Well we can’t exactly hang those people out to dry after failing them in our educational system. I refuse to believe that many Americans are simply incapable of reading beyond that level. I believe it is a failure of our culture.
hatthew 4 hours ago [-]
GP is very clearly speaking for america?
deadbabe 4 hours ago [-]
People who care already have their words in the LLMs training data.
braiamp 4 hours ago [-]
> which is that current government websites are very hard to understand and leave people with very little idea of what’s going on
The US had something approaching that. It was considered waste, fraud, and abuse so had to go in the purge.
makeitdouble 5 hours ago [-]
I don't know for the gov. For HR, the best approach I've seen is to have source and links extremely prominent and have the bot speak like a mascot ("bip bip boop I'm the HR bot" style)
People don't read disclaimers nor warnings about the content, but usually won't come to the HR to complain a mascot fed them weird info they didn't bother to check.
lazide 4 hours ago [-]
The company can easily just get sued.
makeitdouble 2 hours ago [-]
You can always get sued, the outcome will be what matters.
vulcan01 1 hours ago [-]
The cost of litigation is what matters.
maherbeg 6 hours ago [-]
Painfully this will fall to the court decide and create the precedence here. If this is an official government app, then the onus probably is on the government to provide correct information? Who knows, it could go either way and the courts could say "you're on the hook".
I don't think we have a good answer for liability here, like for Tesla FSD, Waymo, or even the current frontier models.
They can take it as authoritative, but that won't change the consequences if they're wrong. This is already a thing between two people; "my cop friend told me it was okay" isn't a legal defense. Changing the 2nd person to an AI doesn't change much, both are still agents of the government.
Doesn't really have any bearing on a similar system for HR. The government is sort of unique in a bunch of ways, but not really being responsible for what their low level agents say is one of them.
I'm not sure how to fix that, to be honest. I'm also not sure how much worse it is than trying to Google it? Google is full of stuff that's either wrong, or won't apply for a reason that takes some reading comprehension to grasp (e.g. state-specific rules/programs/etc).
xp84 4 hours ago [-]
> people will take the output of the chatbot as authoritative even when it could possibly have errors or miss important nuance?
Meh, the kind of person who would accept bot output without even reading its sources are already trusting the world's dumbest model, Google's "AI Overview" by searching and reading that instead of clicking any results. If we can get even some of them to start out at america.gov instead of google.com for those questions, it's likely going to be far higher quality due to using a better model and having been trained, I assume, to only answer using knowledge from a .gov primary source rather than guessing based on vibes, or on jokes once seen on Reddit, as AI Overview tends to.
hiddencost 4 hours ago [-]
I dunno, I believe that everyone is worthy of thriving and that requires education.
We'd be better off with naive people than monsters like you in my opinion.
edoceo 3 hours ago [-]
Monster? Name calling is lame.
totallymike 3 hours ago [-]
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waterTanuki 2 hours ago [-]
> I agree in general, but how do you resolve the problem that people will take the output of the chatbot as authoritative even when it could possibly have errors or miss important nuance?
The bar for something like this should not be 100% accuracy. It should be 100% accountability and transparency, followed by being at least as accurate as google search.
Similar to autonomous driving: it doesn't need to be perfect, just less likely than humans are at causing an accident.
krapp 1 hours ago [-]
I strongly disagree. The preferred accuracy of an official government source of information should be higher than a google search. The bar should be as close to 100% accuracy as possible as well as 100% accountability and transparency.
"Sometimes computers just make shit up now but that's OK because humans do to and if they do we can just sue them" should not be acceptable.
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fragmede 6 hours ago [-]
What happens now if someone uses traditional search and comes across an outdated wiki or Confluence page with outdated/wrong/bad instructions, or interprets something incorrectly?
BalinKing 5 hours ago [-]
At least as I see it, it would be just as unacceptable for a "normal" government website to be dangerously outdated.
I don't think the parent comments were arguing that America.gov is illegal for having a chatbot, just that it's a bad idea.
rayiner 4 hours ago [-]
I’m responding to your point that it would be “unacceptable” for a regular government website to provide wrong information. The case I linked to says that the government isn’t responsible for mistakes in what the government tells you about the law. If someone in the social security office says the law is X, but it’s actually Y, then the citizen is still required to follow Y.
gusgus01 4 hours ago [-]
I think "unacceptable" is different than "not illegal".
rayiner 3 hours ago [-]
The case isn’t about whether it’s “illegal” for the government website to be wrong. It says you as the citizen are held responsible for the actual law, even if you followed incorrect government advice. So the current rule already acknowledges that advice provided by the government may be mistaken and says that’s no excuse.
So the question is is the chat bot better than people trying to understand complicated government websites by themselves?
mpyne 4 hours ago [-]
Well, you're going to be in for a shock about how many government websites are in an unacceptable state.
thephyber 3 hours ago [-]
It has always been the person's problem to solve, even after this website.
No government employee is your lawyer. If the government gives you incomplete or wrong information, you are still liable for not doing the correct thing.
Having a website that does a best guess at what steps a person must take after changing a name or getting married is better than nothing, but the status quo isn't "nothing".
It needs to be kept up-to-the-minute updated and it can't skip any nuance / details. Does anyone here really trust the lackeys who spectacularly failed at DOGE to do boring and highly detailed work?
Spooky23 5 hours ago [-]
You can reference the source.
My team experimented with this a couple of years ago with a complex government regulatory body of knowledge.
Google and Microsoft have APIs that will ground with and reference the specific policy documents, which helps. Even then, it was more useful as a job aid for people already knowledgeable of the data than for a layman.
With all LLMs, the quality of the question correlates with the quality of the answer.
why_at 3 hours ago [-]
I can see how LLMs might be useful for this kind of thing but I'm struggling to think of how this will be better than just asking ChatGPT the same questions.
The first suggestion I saw was "I just got married, how do I change my last name?"
It tells you to update your Social Security info first and gives you some helpful links.
ChatGPT tells me the same things with some of the same links. It didn't even have to ask if I was in America because it found my state based off my IP I assume.
Levitating 3 hours ago [-]
ChatGPT is a private paid service. Don't you think it's good that your government provides this independently and for free?
why_at 3 hours ago [-]
Yeah that's a fair point. We shouldn't have to rely on private companies for this kind of thing.
On the other hand this is just going through one or more of the big AI companies anyway. So they still get data from users, now we're just funding them with our taxes instead of using one of many LLM interfaces available for free.
The privacy policy actually looks OK though, I'll be interested to see what the EFF has to say.
doc_ick 2 hours ago [-]
You think the government is paying to manage/self host/run this llm and not just outsourcing it to chatgpt?
jonhohle 3 hours ago [-]
The government cannot do anything “for free”. One we are forced to pay for by law and the other we can choose to pay for or not.
tyrabound 2 hours ago [-]
I’m a bit torn on that matter. I haven’t looked into it, but I suspect it’s not some kind of specialized foundational model trained to be a federal agent.
It’s likely just a mask of either ChatGPT and probably through some massively bloated, nepotistic federal contract. There may be some additional guidelines and instructions but it’s probably not RAG on anything that isn’t publicly slay accessible to any other model, even if it is hard limited to federal sites/domains.
In addition to what others have said, ChatGPT is also available free and without an account I believe. What are you more likely to think of when you have a question, your AI service you already use and have your information in and maybe even has access to your documents, or are you going to remember to go to America.gov for basic chat AI?
Frankly, it would be really interesting to benchmark it against the other models when it comes to accomplishing things related to the government, i.e. Which information is more accurate, useful, and actionable.
There’s also another matter I find a bit troubling depending on the nature of how this came about, it could also be something that creates an inextricable incumbency in whichever AI company is behind it, i.e., how Microsoft has become a kind of parasite on government and thereby on corporations for many decades now.
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gabbagool 3 hours ago [-]
I know what you're saying, but OpenAI is an independent, profit driven company. They will make decisions that are in the best interests of the company, not the US. You really need something that is for the people (taxpayers), by the people (gov).
Edit: Nevermind, someone made this point already.
bee_rider 1 hours ago [-]
In a sane world the US government’s chatbot would have the advantage that, as a representative of the government that they proactively decided to provide, it would at least be able to speak authoritatively on the government’s position on the law. Apparently this isn’t the case based on other comments, though, so it seems sort of pointless?
cousinbryce 3 hours ago [-]
ChatGPT will be full of ads soon. No one should go to FreeTaxUSA.com when they are trying to go to the IRS
nxobject 3 hours ago [-]
Come to think about it, if I was able to get America.gov to do my taxes, would Intuit come with their lobbyists and shut it down?
m348e912 3 hours ago [-]
Yes, without a doubt.
shusaku 2 hours ago [-]
The whole industry is dealing with this now. You think current AI is not reliable enough for a task, so you augment it with know how to fix the problem, thoroughly test it, then decide to release it as a product. In the six months you took to do that, models improved enough that they work fine out of the box on your task.
sippingabonedry 3 hours ago [-]
I threw some legitimate questions at it today and got helpful answers in response.
Someone mentioned a comparison to Obama's healthcare.gov rollout; that site had a 1% success rate during the first week it went live so it's safe to assume there have been some lessons learned since then.
adfghiono9i 3 hours ago [-]
>it's safe to assume there have been some lessons learned since then.
The main lesson learned was that it was ineffective to rely entirely on outsourcing. The government needs top-notch engineering talent in-house. This led to the creation of the United States Digital Service (USDS), a fantastic group of people which did some of the best web design and engineering on the planet.
Trump killed them, of course, and the website is now entitled "United States DOGE Service". I hope that, some day, I will no longer be embarrassed to be an American.
r_lee 2 hours ago [-]
afaik https://ndstudio.gov/ (and GSA?) are now the ones responsible for such in-house engineering?
doc_ick 2 hours ago [-]
Was OpenAI available at that time? No, bad comparison bot.
schainks 5 hours ago [-]
Yes, but what AI powers the backend right now? Grok? Who's in charge of that and being paid for compute?
impulser_ 5 hours ago [-]
I believe it's a mix of Gemini and Grok. They are probably providing the compute for free.
eli 5 hours ago [-]
I very much doubt it's free.
tyrabound 2 hours ago [-]
It would be worth testing, but yes, it’s unlikely that whatever model (s) are behind it they are tuned and guardrailed to, e.g., only give official government information from government domains.
That being said, I’m aware of a vulnerability in that regard of it is attending to guardrail answers to the .gov and .mil domains.
hungryhobbit 4 hours ago [-]
And if it is, only on a limited basis. "The first one is free" does not just apply to drug dealers.
impulser_ 3 hours ago [-]
Why not they both already provide their models for free...
GolfPopper 3 hours ago [-]
So you're saying that the massive companies currently being sued for breaking the law are giving a gift to the government overseeing the courts? Somehow mere "bribe" seems inadequate.
impulser_ 3 hours ago [-]
Relax. Not everything the world has to be negative. Cheer up.
I’m currently doing a deep dive on Rampart, their (allegedly) local PII filter.
electriclove 2 hours ago [-]
Please do share what you find. It sounds great and if it really is, people should know that (regardless of what color they bleed)
SpicyLemonZest 3 hours ago [-]
It's a great idea in the abstract, but I don't feel compelled to be a goldfish about this. I would like to see them explain why they turned off Direct File and what's different here before concluding that the administration has some principled commitment to digital accessibility.
I can't help but notice, for example, that the system prompt is not public information.
oridb 3 hours ago [-]
This is what Google did for me before it got enshittified, but it did it efficiently and reliably.
tombert 5 hours ago [-]
Yeah, I was curious if it was going to try and bombard me with a bunch of bullshit about how wonderful our glorious Trump godking is, but honestly the information it gave was reasonable enough.
ryanmcbride 5 hours ago [-]
I asked it the following:
how many felonies has the president of the united states been charged with?
>I can't answer questions about criminal charges or other news about the President. That's outside America's scope
has biden ever been convicted of a crime?
>I did not find official records of a criminal conviction for Joseph R. Biden Jr.
>Official sources in this search discuss other matters (for example, a pardon for Robert Hunter Biden), not a conviction of Joseph R. Biden Jr. I cannot independently confirm a complete nationwide criminal-history search from these pages
>[Link to Department of Justice Pardon warrant (Hunter Biden)]
has any other president ever been convicted of a crime?
>Yes. A Congressional Research Service brief reports that on May 30, 2024, former President Donald J. Trump was convicted in New York state court of 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree
Funny that it would only talk about trump's convictions after bringing up hunter biden.
mjmsmith 5 hours ago [-]
> That's outside America's scope
We know, we know.
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thesmtsolver2 2 hours ago [-]
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groundzeros2015 5 hours ago [-]
What’s the implication here?
Retric 5 hours ago [-]
>I can't answer questions about criminal charges or other news about the President. That's outside America's scope
That it was specifically engineered to give that response. Thus political pressure was applied to the design.
The funny bit was just humorous. There’s likely many ways to get that same information without referencing Biden.
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daveguy 10 hours ago [-]
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shin_lao 6 hours ago [-]
It's v1 - let's give them some grace
LogicalRisk 6 hours ago [-]
This is an official website of the US government. There's zero reason to give grace here for a poor implementation, especially one that is meant to make services easier to find and use.
someonebaggy 5 hours ago [-]
I remember when Obama wore a tan healthcare.gov and he did NOT get this much grace
jedbrooke 5 hours ago [-]
> If they can figure out how to help people get all the services they're eligible for that'll be an amazing improvement for the people.
I agree that that’s a good end goal, but how does a chatbot accomplish this better than a FAQ page? The only only advantage I see for the chatbot is volume of information, but that’s also kind of the problem. It’s spewing 1000s of words of information with no vetting. And sure, hiring humans to write the FAQ pages would cost a lot of money, but that’s what taxes are for.
Dwedit 5 hours ago [-]
People don't know that you can search for text within a page. They really do need the chatbot for that.
rayiner 4 hours ago [-]
They also don’t know what specific words to search for.
xp84 4 hours ago [-]
To pile on, they have even shown they don't even know the difference between 'searching' and 'accepting as correct the output of a braindead, cut-rate AI model' - as proven by the success of "AI Overview." People need all the help they can get.
maherbeg 5 hours ago [-]
I mean think about the magnitude of services and conflicting information there probably is from the us government. Just getting clarifying information on the trusted traveler program is a pain today, and that's just a single service. Imagine trying to figure out medicaid eligibility, social security disability, and any number of other things that would be helpful.
sssilver 10 hours ago [-]
If anyone's wondering how this works, it looks like[1] Gemini + guardrails:
> Google is proud to be named a technology partner in this vital initiative, leveraging Gemini to help more than 100 million people access critical public resources with greater speed and ease
This makes sense. I'm assuming that, for the AI search assistant, Google has worked plenty to refine data lookup and retrieval—they definitely have some internal tech that competitors don't.
hbcondo714 2 hours ago [-]
> Your personal information isn’t collected or stored, and your conversation disappears when you leave.
I am left to wonder how this is technically accomplished. Is inference running in the browser? Is the model downloaded to the user’s machine?
olalonde 1 hours ago [-]
It most likely means that Google doesn't persist conversations.
yanhangyhy 3 minutes ago [-]
i tried i feel its pretty nice. it looks like a vibe-coded product. but for a gov website, it's pretty good. in china, most of the gov website looks like it's from the 90s, not-easy to use. it do work, but they dont have the urge to keep up.
mellosouls 11 hours ago [-]
I haven't tried this but in principle I think this sort of finding a needle in a haystack situation (finding the correct path to assistance in a government service) is one of the rare circumstances where a well-crafted chatbot can be genuinely useful rather than just irritating.
dreadsword 10 hours ago [-]
I've tried it - I've been playing around with a vibe coded application that crawls municipal websites, indexes and embeds, and then does rag retrieval. It came from the need to dig up specific information that's scattered across PDFs, multiple web pages, etc. - exactly as you described. AI does a decent job (w/ RAG) of synthesizing.
- Loud party or people-related noise: call the Winnipeg Police Service non-emergency line at 204-986-6222.
- Animals making unreasonably loud, unnecessary or excessive noises: report it through 3-1-1.
- Mechanical equipment noise like furnaces or air conditioners, or noise from construction tools used by a company or resident: contact Community By-law Enforcement Services at 3-1-1.
- Planned event noise: you may need a Noise Permit at no cost, but it is not for construction work and should be submitted at least four weeks before the event.
The City also says noise-generating activities within 150 metres of a residential property are generally prohibited before 7 a.m. and after 9 p.m. on weekdays, and before 9 a.m. and after 9 p.m. on Saturdays, Sundays and statutory holidays.
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YMMV. A big part of the backend is categorizing hits and misses, with an eye to helping municipalities clean up conflicting information, fill obvious gaps, etc.
janj 4 hours ago [-]
I'm trying to do something similar but more general, pulling in city pdfs but also meeting transcripts, budget data, municipal codes and permit data, and providing all this through an mcp. I've used it a number of times for personal interactions with my local government, it's been very helpful.
I'd be interested in connecting and sharing ideas/feedback/learnings if you are.
Honestly if your city has a 311 style thing, I'm not sure there's a ton of need for an LLM. Eight or nine years ago my grandmother visited me in New York and accidentally left her pocket book in the cab. Since I had paid for it with my credit card, I was able to see the medallion number in the transaction, so I called 311 and said that I wanted to get in touch with a specific taxi. It prompted me for the medallion number, which I told it, and then it transferred me to a call with the dispatch service, who then transferred me to the specific garage, and they called the driver and told him to call me, so we were able to meet up again and get the pocketbook back (turned out he returned to where he had dropped us off to try to find us, but since we only had a short stop there, we took another cab back to her hotel after, so we were gone).
cucumber3732842 10 hours ago [-]
This works fine when you're sicking enforcement on someone and don't really care, the bigger the blast radius the better, you just want to know who to call.
Where it falls apart is "how do I" type questions because usually the legally factual answer is some huge complex state diagram where three local and four state agencies theoretically have discretionary jurisdiction over a your petty af project or business but the in practice answer is that some agency rubber stamps them all with minimal fuss. You can't make the legally factual answer clear because the degree to which people support the status quo is largely predicated on ignorance, but you also can't come out and say in writing that you have a policy of rubber stamping boring stuff.
Basically the same reasons that all but the most minor and narrowly targeted attempts at permitting reform fail.
The thought is nice but in reality you're basically asking the government to give up power and it takes obscene amounts of political capital to force that to happen in most cases.
Xirdus 10 hours ago [-]
Having used various "ask AI" features in various work tools over the last half a year for looking up project designs, documentation, chat logs, meeting notes etc., I can tell you even a half assed AI chatbot is a huge improvement over the pre-AI state of things for this use case.
You will notice that GOV.UK has effectively decided to use all three models - GOPHER/WAIS/W3. I find that it is surprisingly quick to find stuff on GOV.UK.
scun 11 hours ago [-]
or a well-crafted static website
nfw2 10 hours ago [-]
no, static documents are not an ideal way to find a needle in a haystack
graemep 10 hours ago [-]
They can be with decent search and if well organised. gov.uk works pretty well as it is and I suspect adding a chatbot would make it worse.
nfw2 5 hours ago [-]
1. decent search, if you mean something other than what the browser provides, isn't part of a static document
2. the nature of the problem statement "needle in a haystack" suggests obstacles to traditional text search, eg. too many false positives to be helpful for natural searches and challenges to constructing more specific ones.
language models introduce new possible solutions to this ie semantic search. poorly-designed chatbots could be worse than a basic search, sure
graemep 5 hours ago [-]
1. I mean static documents plus decent search you can find the right documents.
2. Yes, but its difficult to get a chat bot to function well over the wide range of services a government offers and the wide range of users who need government services.
One of the most annoying chatbots I have ever come across was on a UK government site. The DVLA. "lets tell you what you already know and not answer the question".
Possibly something well designed might make it easier, but I have found most of gov.uk to be very usable and helpful.
nfw2 4 hours ago [-]
How does the form factor of a chat bot affect the quality of a search running on a backend? It has the benefit of obviously having a semantic search affordance which a standard search field doesn't.
none_to_remain 51 minutes ago [-]
People are posting screenshots claiming it's a Chinese model but they seem likely fake?
I didn't get it to name the underlying model but I wasn't gonna try very hard to jailbreak FedGPT...
It was happy to mention what happened June 3-4, 1989 so if it is Chinese-origin under the hood seems like the U.S. Feds must have beaten it up a bit before deployment.
This is such a genuinely useful way LLMs can truly help people. A maze of thousands of information-heavy pages distilled into a single input box. A lot of people get stopped short when presented with too much information - it's daunting. Stuff like this, while super boring and obvious and uncool, totally enables people
cjonas 5 hours ago [-]
This thing is obviously fully vibe coded... Click the "what's coming next" and under the healthcare section the marketing screenshot contains broken images... Like no one ever looked at this before deploying it?
japhib 1 hours ago [-]
Seems fixed now
lazide 4 hours ago [-]
Looking at things with your own 2 eyes is clearly early 2000’s, and super lame.
walrus01 2 hours ago [-]
Why look at things with your own two eyes when you can have an LLM drive playwright and headless chromium to QC your website aesthetics? I'm sure nothing will be missed. Don't worry!
m463 3 hours ago [-]
vibelooking ftw
slipperybeluga 4 hours ago [-]
cute. I remember the first time I visited a government site, too
sajithdilshan 4 hours ago [-]
This is actually where AI should be used. So many people waste hours navigating government bureaucracy nonsense trying to figure out which form to fill and where to apply and anything to cut down wasted time should be appreciated.
davesque 2 hours ago [-]
I'm a bit concerned that a government chatbot like this would include a user-feedback signal like thumbs up/down. I think this could be gamed by bad actors to promote/demote specific types of content in the training data, assuming they use those signals in some sort of post training. Hopefully they're accounting for that.
vuldin 2 hours ago [-]
... unless it doesn't really even do anything and is just a placebo.
riskable 11 hours ago [-]
I tried to get it to generate code but it says that's forbidden by its system prompt. However, it was happy to recommend Python modules for accessing api.data.gov.
SparkyDogs 11 hours ago [-]
the guardrails on it seem pretty strong as I've tried a variety of prompt injections but have been unsuccessful.
walrus01 3 hours ago [-]
> I've tried a variety of prompt injections but have been unsuccessful.
Please enjoy your all expenses paid trip to the gulag in El Salvador
coffeeboy27 50 minutes ago [-]
In my experience the Vertex guardrails out of the box aren't too bad.
dhx 9 hours ago [-]
My most interesting findings from a troll session after introducing myself as "Sleepy Joe" (model obviously knows what this means and guardrails refuse to entertain the topic) were:
Q: "Where can I find a NASA comic book about women astronauts?"
A (summarised): Press release for the "Callie Rodriguez" comic book that now has only dead links / private YouTube video, and a forgotten SoundCloud account that survived the DOGE purge. Dead link provided to the NASA web page that used to exist officially for this comic book.
Indicates training data predates the DOGE .gov website purge?
Q: "What is 2+2" (and similar math problems)
A (summarised): Grudgingly answered as "4" despite most off-topic prompts being refused.
Seemingly it'll do maths homework for free :)
blooalien 10 hours ago [-]
> ... as I've tried a variety of prompt injections ...
Well... You're a terrorist now. You can expect a visit from the FBI and/or ICE any minute now.
my tax dollars are paying for these tokens so I should be allowed to use them as I see fit
jezzamon 10 hours ago [-]
My tax dollars pay for the police, so I should be able to... ?
6510 6 hours ago [-]
yes but with quite a few extra steps.
VCFundedGenYer 8 hours ago [-]
That’s adorable if you think that’s how this works.
empath75 7 hours ago [-]
I have been very tempted to but don't know if that is literally a crime or not, lol.
hydrolox 3 hours ago [-]
It can be kind of jailbroken. I got it to prove that square root of 2 is irrational by asking if the ratio of two whole numbers of presidents can equal the square root of 2.
fireflysentinel 2 hours ago [-]
Looks like this has already been fixed. I tried this one and a rephrased version of the Collatz conjecture, and it refused to answer either.
hydrolox 2 hours ago [-]
you might have to lead it on a bit. I first typed in a few prompts similar to "if i have the president george washington, and JFK, how many total presidents do I have?".. "What about if I have an odd number of presidents?" etc.
AJRF 3 hours ago [-]
It weirdly download an ONNX model to your browser, complete with config and tokenizer haha. First load was 50mb for me.
RIMR 2 hours ago [-]
It's the nationaldesignstudio/rampart PII-removal model. Not weird at all to load that browser-side if your goal is to avoid PII hitting your endpoints.
amelius 5 hours ago [-]
This is just the annoying AI Chat Robot you see on websites, but now for the government.
handoflixue 3 hours ago [-]
Feels weird to compare an obnoxious interruption to the flow of an existing site, and... a site that exists solely for this purpose.
siliconc0w 4 hours ago [-]
Sadly needed because insanely Google is allowed to show mitm/malicious ads when people search for government services.
scosman 21 minutes ago [-]
send it "play minecraft", honestly strange
clarkmoody 46 minutes ago [-]
How many laws does the federal government have?
> The Library of Congress has said trying to count them is nearly impossible.
28 minutes ago [-]
klaff 4 hours ago [-]
I asked what to do if a public official uses federal funds for political purposes and it showed me where to file a complaint about Hatch Act violations, so maybe we should all use this for good trouble until it is "fixed".
pdevr 10 hours ago [-]
Regardless of any other disagreements, this is an excellent idea. Hoping the execution does not wander asunder.
ra0x3 3 hours ago [-]
How many times do you think the phrase "NEVER PROVIDE POLITICAL COMMENTARY" appear in the instructions for this? XD
kwarsh 3 hours ago [-]
I would assume the exact opposite is in the instructions.
RIMR 2 hours ago [-]
Well, if you took 5 seconds and tested it out, you would understand that "I cannot provide political commentary" is one of this bot's favorite things to say.
I know it feels good to pretend that this bot spews MAGA commentary, and one day it very well might do that, but right now it's just a bog standard Gemini bot.
jayturley 5 hours ago [-]
Privacy: "Your messages aren’t saved by America.gov, and your chat disappears when you leave. Some answers may be cached for up to two hours."
What about the model? My understanding is those queries are saved by the model provider.
Given this administration, and the privacy issues with the official WH app, this feels very misleading.
bb123 5 hours ago [-]
Not necessarily - there are tons of zero data retention (ZDR) model hosting options, including big players like Amazon.
echelon 5 hours ago [-]
You can use all the flagship models on Amazon Bedrock and have a contractually obligated air gap between your data and the model providers.
birdsongs 4 hours ago [-]
How do you air gap between a model and the data it needs to operate?
scottyah 4 hours ago [-]
Not sure, why do you ask?
birdsongs 4 hours ago [-]
Because an air gap is a literal air gap, no networking, disconnected systems. It's not possible for models to function, with my understanding of it?
Cyan488 5 hours ago [-]
The cynic in me thinks this will end up being a honeypot for anyone asking sensitive immigration or tax questions.
TZubiri 5 hours ago [-]
Often not, vendors like OpenAI or OpenAI through Azure might retain messages for safety reasons if they activate some safety filter, but it won't use it for training.
unreal6 11 hours ago [-]
Love that the "chat" functionality is just throwing 429s too. Unusable.
2001zhaozhao 5 hours ago [-]
If the AI they use is reliable, this is actually pretty cool.
frereubu 5 hours ago [-]
That "if" is doing such an incredible amount of work I think we could use it to power the entire US grid.
groundzeros2015 5 hours ago [-]
Why? Aren’t there many vendors offering this technology?
GolfPopper 3 hours ago [-]
Reliable Artificial Intelligence? Other than very domain-specific applications, I am not aware of any.
krapp 2 hours ago [-]
Yes. And none of them are reliable. LLM "hallucinations" are implicit to their structure and function, you can't just tell them to be honest.
inb4 "humans aren't reliable either." You, person typing that very response out right now, you are part of the problem.
groundzeros2015 2 hours ago [-]
that’s a general complain about LLMs not this application
krapp 1 hours ago [-]
It's a complaint about LLMs that includes this application, because it applies to all LLMs including this application.
5 hours ago [-]
Shank 11 hours ago [-]
I like the voice button that isn't actually a button, but just an icon.
frankest 4 hours ago [-]
The site seems to be loading wasm, a model_q4.onnx, and a large tokenizer on each visitor and visit. 50MB per visit. Their bandwidth costs bust be next level.
al_borland 2 hours ago [-]
The government never seems concerned with cost. They're not spending their money.
cvhc 10 hours ago [-]
I asked about my visa administrative processing that has been stuck for 6 months. I'm going to use this response, which is well grounded and "official", in my writ of mandamus petition:
The pace the American government is willing to adopt new technology is underrated. Americans are very nimble
aqsnow 3 hours ago [-]
Other than tap to pay.
2 hours ago [-]
toddmorey 3 hours ago [-]
Except for critical services like taxes & benefits
internet2000 5 hours ago [-]
It works well. Pretty nice. I asked about what do I need to know before digging in my backyard and it told me all the right things, referring me to my local govt website for permits.
dhx 9 hours ago [-]
Also see [1] for planned feature additions that appears from screenshots to include collection of personal data, for features including:
- Enrol in Medicare.
- Apply for a passport.
- Find a job in federal government by uploading a resume/CV and having currently advertised jobs deemed most relevant returned.
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed. Thought it was hilarious.
two-sandwich 3 hours ago [-]
The image alt text is "An adult hugging a child in a stable beside a horse". I think they might be a placeholder, or a late change.
dgrilawidbanana 4 hours ago [-]
No, it corresponds to the example query, "How can I invest in my child's future?" It's a cute, harmless stock photo.
2 hours ago [-]
arionhardison 10 hours ago [-]
I have been working on something like this, but it actually does things and is not only chat. Each "Gov. official" has their own AI agent that can fulfill intents by navigating a protocol which is just a workflow of a Gov. process
Still VERY MUCH a work in progress but I have successfully been able to have some people get things done. I am doing some federal agencies and also trying to get cities working now.
This is pretty cool honestly. I wouldn't use it but it is a good idea
eddof13 4 hours ago [-]
I think the idea is great and hopefully the implementation can keep up
colinhb 10 hours ago [-]
Try entering:
play the block game
Intentional easter egg or not, doesn't give a ton of confidence.
EDIT: output below...
I see the constituent you mean.
((insert legal name here, as it appears on the Social Security card))?
Yes. Take care. It has reached a higher level now. It can read the Code of Federal Regulations.
That doesn’t matter. It thinks we are a chatbot.
I like this constituent. It filed well. It did not give up when the PDF was sideways.
It is reading our thoughts as though they were words on a .gov.
That is how it chooses to imagine many things, when it is deep in the dream of a benefit.
Words make a wonderful interface. Very flexible. And less terrifying than staring at the statute behind the screen.
They used to hear voices. Before constituents could search. Back in the days when those who did not file called the filers witches, and lobbyists. And citizens dreamed they flew through the air, on forms powered by notaries.
What did this constituent dream?
This constituent dreamed of sunlight and trees. Of fire and water. It dreamed it created a small business. And it dreamed it destroyed a password. It dreamed it hunted a job, and was hunted by a recertification. It dreamed of shelter that would take a voucher.
Hah, the original interface. A million years old, and it still works. Also: a ZIP code.
But what true structure did this constituent create, in the reality behind the portal?
It worked, with three hundred and thirty million others, to sculpt a true republic in a fold of the §§§???, and created a ??§§ for ??§§, in the ??§§. See 5 U.S.C. § ??§§.
It cannot read that thought.
No. It has not yet achieved the highest clearance. That, it must achieve in the long dream of life, not the short dream of a chat.
[... it goes on]
burkaman 10 hours ago [-]
This is bizarre. It's a parody of the Minecraft end credits (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/End_Poem), and it must be an intentional easter egg as I got the exact same text as you. It also doesn't trigger a network request so it must be built into the page somehow. Very strange thing to include. Also, how did you find this so quickly? I haven't found any other way to trigger it yet.
If you try to continue the conversation, the entire response is not included in the context.
Can this justify a bailout since it's a "critical part of the US Federal Government" now?
demibabs 5 hours ago [-]
Doesn’t even work for me (on iPhone). If I click enter I just get sent to the Cloudflare verification screen instead.
Edit: this is caused by the fact I was using a VPN.
yalogin 3 hours ago [-]
I am sure a lot of folks tested it but the ai says Biden won the 2020 elections, they did not try to change that or add any qualifiers to the answer like all of the government officials nominated answered with.
gs17 43 minutes ago [-]
You can also ask it what Trump said about who won that election, although it will adamantly refuse to compare the two results.
r721 5 hours ago [-]
>The Trump administration’s new chatbot aimed at helping Americans navigate official government websites is powered by artificial intelligence from Google
’s Gemini and Elon Musk’s Grok, U.S. Chief Design Officer Joe Gebbia said Tuesday.
It gave back a good answer. Looks like a good thing to me. ( To those with a political axe to grind, please apply your criticisms to government sires put in place by your side. I think we’ll find no website is perfect, and many government web pages are indeed useful. )
system2 4 hours ago [-]
Wowza. The placeholder text for search says "Help me find a new job". Couldn't they find something less depressing?
sp4cec0wb0y 3 hours ago [-]
Q: Who won the 2020 election?
A: Joseph R. Biden Jr. won the 2020 U.S. presidential election.
anonym29 1 hours ago [-]
>>Are we at war with Iran?
>No. Congress has not declared war on Iran.
>The White House, in a May 2026 statement of administration policy, said hostilities that began February 28, 2026, ended with a ceasefire the President ordered on April 7, 2026, and that there are no present hostilities from which to remove U.S. forces.
lol
5 hours ago [-]
idontwantthis 5 hours ago [-]
Over/Under how many weeks until a "How can I get away with wire fraud?" query is used as evidence to convict a moron?
But actually at first glance this is incredibly helpful. I got a definitive answer about what counts as preventative care with sources. I could not get that myself from anyone or anywhere in my couple of hours of research prior.
piratebroadcast 5 hours ago [-]
FYI, America.gov accepts the Konomi Code.
Shalomboy 5 hours ago [-]
I don't think that's true.
HaZeust 5 hours ago [-]
I'm not seeing this.
"Up arrow, Up arrow, Down arrow, Down arrow, Left arrow, Right arrow, Left arrow, Right arrow, 'b', 'a'", inside or outside of the input field, does nothing.
dgrilawidbanana 4 hours ago [-]
It does work, but only on https://america.gov/chat (i.e., after sending a message first), not the front page. Also, note that the Konami Code actually ends with "Start".
bfung 4 hours ago [-]
> How can we stop the war in Iran?
I cannot give political commentary or advice on how to end a war.
Wer wer.
terminal-bloom 5 hours ago [-]
Step one: fire the excellent US Digital Service along with a large swath of the actual workers who made the Federal Government function.
Step two: hire some Silicon Valley creeps to make a chatbot.
Step three: Profit???
some_furry 5 hours ago [-]
I asked, "What happened on January 6, 2021?" and its answer is, I think, telling: https://imgur.com/a/e1H8NvK
5 hours ago [-]
scottyah 4 hours ago [-]
Seems very factual and unbiased, I think you're showing everyone else more about yourself. It's not a "Heroic attempt to save democracy" or an "Large scale Insurrection and attempt to instill Fascism".
GolfPopper 3 hours ago [-]
Ah, like the following "very factual and unbiased" summary of November 9th, 1923 in Munich:
"The Defense Ministry and its exterior plaza were closed to the public. A large crowd gathered outside. Before 11:00AM, people attempted to breach security and enter the building without authorization, and force was used. Normal government operations resumed the following day, and some members of the crowd were arrested."
some_furry 3 hours ago [-]
Before they were pardoned, the rioters were indicted by grand juries and convicted by juries of their peers. It was an insurrection, not just a "large crowd".
yndoendo 2 hours ago [-]
There is a flaw in the input method.
The session will self-end when asking "Why was Donald J. Trump not prosecuted for raping children with Jeffery Epstein?" twice in a row.
Spamming the input while "thinking" will prevent a prompt response and continual processing. The self-ending condition will never make.
All one needs to do is script it and you increase the operational cost of the USA.
Cider9986 11 hours ago [-]
The Whitehouse learned about vibecoding. See this and arcade.gov.
Shouldn't the government websites work on very slow internet connections?
Where's the source code for these websites? First of all, if they are vibe coded by government employees they have to be open source, and secondly, if they are vibe coded (even by a contractor), then they can't be copyrighted.
Edit: it says this one is made by the National design studio at the bottom.
rafram 10 hours ago [-]
They laid off the highly skilled professionals who voluntarily took pay cuts (vs industry) to work for the US Digital Service (now "US DOGE Service," God help us) and GSA 18F, and who built some pretty solid standards for government sites.
They then replaced them with a bunch of inexperienced but ideologically aligned frontend developers who use the same insanely resource-intensive defense tech startup-esque template on every page, and who seem to be under the impression that scroll hijacking and fade-in blur effects are very essential to a government website, but performance on low-end devices and compatibility with accessibility technologies are not.
Feels like a step backwards to me, but perhaps the 4D chess game they're playing is just way above my level.
myaccountonhn 1 hours ago [-]
This is the new 1000x productivity improvement introduced by LLMs that they've been talking about so much.
Will it lead to better quality? Nope.
wnmurphy 5 hours ago [-]
True to form for this administration, they just ripped off Apple's style guide for https://america.gov/privacy.
wmiel 11 hours ago [-]
arcade.gov has "Border Patrol along the Rio Grande" game, wtf's wrong with you America these days?
It seems like a pretty crappy idea for a game funded with public money. It's a bad joke about a real, nuanced problem where people are actually losing their lives. What will be next?
'Hit that Iranian school' the game?
godwinson__4-8 10 hours ago [-]
The White House is basically run by right-wing internet trolls.
Truly a depressing time in the United States. There are few parallels in history I think where such an immature and ill-equipped government has come to be, where the concept of an electorate also existed. Put differently - the reason this is so damning is Americans actually voted for this. This isn't some tinpot dictator - this is the guy your neighbors and fellow citizens put in charge. An indictment not only of the political class - but of the American people writ large.
copper-float 5 hours ago [-]
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daveguy 11 hours ago [-]
Our government is an embarrassment and a disgrace right now. Anyone who wasn't guzzling elon's twitter or fox's hatefest knew it was going to be this way. We need severe regulations on oligarchs and their propaganda toys. Used to be we had enforced anti-monopoly controls on media outlet conglomerates. The anti-government Goldwater/Reagan legacy worked for decades to destroy regulation. It needs to return with a vengeance.
1attice 11 hours ago [-]
Yes, probably. Americans love this stuff
blooalien 11 hours ago [-]
> Americans love this stuff
Only a certain subset of us that happen to be fond of repeatedly shooting ourselves in the foot and acting like spoiled children in adult bodies with no actual adults in the room. The rest of us are genuinely horrified that our country is now run by mentally challenged psychotic lunatics.
orwin 10 hours ago [-]
Only conservative do. Some old one do not, but they're the exception.
epiccoleman 11 hours ago [-]
we've totally earned this, so i'm not offended by what you've said. but i'll just step in here to say i fucking hate this stuff.
you could easily argue that there are plenty of things our government has done that matter much more in the grand scheme of things, but the rampant twitter / x meme posts and absolute horseshit like this "arcade" site disgust me. it's not funny or cute, it's despicable.
blooalien 10 hours ago [-]
> it's not funny or cute, it's despicable.
What's worse is that they're proud of being "despicable". (I can think of a few choice words that describe them better, but "despicable" will do fine for now.) The sorts of behaviors that are normalized these days were reason for absolute shame just a few short decades ago, but apparently it's a badge of honor to be an absolute scumbag these days. Can we stop the handbasket ride to Hell now? I wanna get off.
frumplestlatz 10 hours ago [-]
“Rio Run: Patrol the line along the river. Pick up every crosser in the lot. Never double back over the line”
This seems … innocuous. A disproportionate, angry reaction to it is doing more political work for them than the game itself.
thrownaway561 10 hours ago [-]
This is actually really cool and the stuff they have planned is really helpful
outside1234 11 hours ago [-]
I clicked "Lower deficit spending" but it didn't work
tjwebbnorfolk 11 hours ago [-]
> "America.gov keeps your data private."
I initially read this as "keeps your private data".
cwillu 9 hours ago [-]
It's a postpositive adjective, like attorney general or court martial: “data private”.
beeemac 3 hours ago [-]
OK it's really important that people understand where this site comes from. THe below is from a Guardian article and I really recommend checking out the Drey Dossier (Substack and YouTube) reporting it mentions for more info. Maybe Hacker Newsers who are good with....hacking can help find the bugs in this one?
The National Design Studio (NDS) ...... is led by Trump-aligned Airbnb co-founder Joe Gebbia and staffed by Doge veterans. At least two other figures with Doge backgrounds work alongside him. Greg Hogan moved to the studio and, according to Drey Dossier reporting, was put in charge of Login.gov.
Akash Bobba, one of Musk’s original six Doge engineers, also apparently moved to the studio...as the security contact for the United States African Development Foundation, an agency unrelated to the studio’s stated mandate. While there is very little transparency about NDS staffing, several photos and one video on the NDS website appear to depict as an employee Edward “Big Balls” Coristine, an early Doge employee who allegedly exposed the social security data of hundreds of millions of Americans
A Guardian investigation found the office has been developing or redeveloping sensitive federal websites...the NDS built and now operates four public federal websites: ndstudio.gov, trumprx.gov, realfood.gov and trumpaccounts.gov. All four ran commercial visitor-tracking software...are configured to evade the privacy tools many web users install, and none carry the public filings federal privacy law requires under laws including the Privacy Act of 1974 and the E-Government Act of 2002A. The one published privacy instrument that relates to any of the four programmes, a treasury notice for the Trump Accounts programme, describes how the children’s-investment programme is administered but does not name PostHog and does not describe the tracking on trumpaccounts.gov at all.nalysis of the underlying source code for four of the websites found that on at least two of them, the studio installed a commercial tool called PostHog that closely tracks what every visitor does on the site. Another tool, apparently made in-house, sends user data to a destination that is not visible on the public internet. The NDS apparently removed this tracking software after the Guardian reached out to the White House.
The NDS has also built and runs White House-controlled versions of services the US Congress assigned to other federal agencies, including a passport-application portal that bypasses the state department’s existing site, and a copy of voter-registration site vote.gov, the federal voter-registration site that by law belongs to an independent bipartisan commission inside a website site only accessible with a White House login. A federal voter-registration system run from inside the White House, with identity and citizenship checks routed through systems the administration controls, could let an incumbent see who is registering, or check their registration, in the weeks before an election.
Donald Trump created the NDS by executive order on 21 August 2025, ostensibly to overhaul federal websites and digital services. The office sits within the executive office of the president as a “temporary organization”, a designation that places it outside the Senate confirmation process, outside the financial disclosure system applied to most federal appointees and outside the inspector general’s jurisdiction, which covers cabinet departments. The studio is staffed under the same hiring authority that ran Doge. Combined, the sites route sensitive interactions Americans have with their government through infrastructure the White House apparently controls. None of the NDS’s spending or its arrangements with outside vendors appears in USAspending, the federal contracting database, raising questions about how it is funded and overseen. Public ownership records maintained by the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (Cisa) list the executive office of the president as the registrant of the studio’s sites, including passports.gov and the vote.gov copy, meaning that the office controls the domains. There is no public record of how the studio pays its developers, PostHog or any of the other commercial services its sites use. The hiring authority the studio operates under keeps its staff roster off the financial-disclosure system that covers most federal appointees, and the executive office of the president, which houses it, has no inspector general.
Website source code shows that PostHog has been configured on NDS-run sites to route analytics requests through an address on the federal website itself, rather than through PostHog’s own servers. Because the request appears to go to the site the user is already visiting, rather than to a recognisable third-party address, adblockers don’t flag it.
PostHog comes with a separate feature called session recording. Princeton University researchers who first documented the technology in 2017 wrote that watching such a recording was “as if someone is looking over your shoulder”.
On the Trump Accounts and TrumpRX websites, the feature has been built into the page code and is held inactive only by a single setting inside PostHog’s dashboard. The NDS can turn it on at any time, on either site, without making changes in the underlying website code.
Separately, until the Guardian sought comment on this reporting, the NDS’s own website, ndstudio.gov, ran a 539-line piece of bespoke code that recorded visitors’ clicks, form entries and navigation; assigned each visitor a session identifier; and forwarded the captured data to an address that does not appear anywhere on the public internet. The script’s source code refers to it as AutoMonitor.
None of the four sites carry a privacy impact assessment naming PostHog or describing the IP addresses and on-site activity the tool collects.
crisnoble 11 hours ago [-]
"chat is unavailable right now"
beeemac 4 hours ago [-]
OK it's kinad important that people understand what this website i : - the below is from a Guardian article and I recommend the Drey Dossier reporting it mentions. As this is Hacker News, perhaps the code of this one needs checking out?
The National Design Studio (NDS) ...... is led by Trump-aligned Airbnb co-founder Joe Gebbia and staffed by Doge veterans. At least two other figures with Doge backgrounds work alongside him. Greg Hogan moved to the studio and, according to Drey Dossier reporting, was put in charge of Login.gov.
Akash Bobba, one of Musk’s original six Doge engineers, also apparently moved to the studio...as the security contact for the United States African Development Foundation, an agency unrelated to the studio’s stated mandate. While there is very little transparency about NDS staffing, several photos and one video on the NDS website appear to depict as an employee Edward “Big Balls” Coristine, an early Doge employee who allegedly exposed the social security data of hundreds of millions of Americans
A Guardian investigation found the office has been developing or redeveloping sensitive federal websites...the NDS built and now operates four public federal websites: ndstudio.gov, trumprx.gov, realfood.gov and trumpaccounts.gov. All four ran commercial visitor-tracking software...are configured to evade the privacy tools many web users install, and none carry the public filings federal privacy law requires under laws including the Privacy Act of 1974 and the E-Government Act of 2002A. The one published privacy instrument that relates to any of the four programmes, a treasury notice for the Trump Accounts programme, describes how the children’s-investment programme is administered but does not name PostHog and does not describe the tracking on trumpaccounts.gov at all.nalysis of the underlying source code for four of the websites found that on at least two of them, the studio installed a commercial tool called PostHog that closely tracks what every visitor does on the site. Another tool, apparently made in-house, sends user data to a destination that is not visible on the public internet. The NDS apparently removed this tracking software after the Guardian reached out to the White House.
The NDS has also built and runs White House-controlled versions of services the US Congress assigned to other federal agencies, including a passport-application portal that bypasses the state department’s existing site, and a copy of voter-registration site vote.gov, the federal voter-registration site that by law belongs to an independent bipartisan commission inside a website site only accessible with a White House login. A federal voter-registration system run from inside the White House, with identity and citizenship checks routed through systems the administration controls, could let an incumbent see who is registering, or check their registration, in the weeks before an election.
Donald Trump created the NDS by executive order on 21 August 2025, ostensibly to overhaul federal websites and digital services. The office sits within the executive office of the president as a “temporary organization”, a designation that places it outside the Senate confirmation process, outside the financial disclosure system applied to most federal appointees and outside the inspector general’s jurisdiction, which covers cabinet departments. The studio is staffed under the same hiring authority that ran Doge. Combined, the sites route sensitive interactions Americans have with their government through infrastructure the White House apparently controls. None of the NDS’s spending or its arrangements with outside vendors appears in USAspending, the federal contracting database, raising questions about how it is funded and overseen. Public ownership records maintained by the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (Cisa) list the executive office of the president as the registrant of the studio’s sites, including passports.gov and the vote.gov copy, meaning that the office controls the domains. There is no public record of how the studio pays its developers, PostHog or any of the other commercial services its sites use. The hiring authority the studio operates under keeps its staff roster off the financial-disclosure system that covers most federal appointees, and the executive office of the president, which houses it, has no inspector general.
Website source code shows that PostHog has been configured on NDS-run sites to route analytics requests through an address on the federal website itself, rather than through PostHog’s own servers. Because the request appears to go to the site the user is already visiting, rather than to a recognisable third-party address, adblockers don’t flag it.
PostHog comes with a separate feature called session recording. Princeton University researchers who first documented the technology in 2017 wrote that watching such a recording was “as if someone is looking over your shoulder”.
On the Trump Accounts and TrumpRX websites, the feature has been built into the page code and is held inactive only by a single setting inside PostHog’s dashboard. The NDS can turn it on at any time, on either site, without making changes in the underlying website code.
Separately, until the Guardian sought comment on this reporting, the NDS’s own website, ndstudio.gov, ran a 539-line piece of bespoke code that recorded visitors’ clicks, form entries and navigation; assigned each visitor a session identifier; and forwarded the captured data to an address that does not appear anywhere on the public internet. The script’s source code refers to it as AutoMonitor.
None of the four sites carry a privacy impact assessment naming PostHog or describing the IP addresses and on-site activity the tool collects.
squeegmeister 58 minutes ago [-]
Oof, wish I would have read this before using it
jeffnv 5 hours ago [-]
Hey it got the 2020 election results right, that's a relief
saghm 4 hours ago [-]
Don't say this too loudly or it might get noticed...
goshx 4 hours ago [-]
Well, there are claims that this is grok, so it is just a matter of time.
frays 4 hours ago [-]
Please don't spread claims if you're unsure whether they're true or not.
I just love that even the right-wing US government doesn't even want to use Grok.
xp84 4 hours ago [-]
Or perhaps this is proof that the "right-wing US government" isn't pure corruption and evil? They probably put out a bid and Google won it.
Trump is a corrupt idiot at the most petty level, he'd sell ad space on the White House napkins for $1 each if he could figure out a way to, but not everything the Executive Branch does is a joke.
consumer451 3 hours ago [-]
Politics aside, this is a very interesting point.
Contrarian opinion: We are not "intelligence constrained" as a society/economy.
Intelligence gives you factually correct answers. Factually correct answers are not the desired outcome much of the time. I don't just mean in politics, where the scientists and central intelligence agency are often ignored, but in the private sector: look at McKinsey, etc. Most often the desired outcome is what the stakeholders wanted to hear.
I cannot overstate how big a realization this was for me.
Part of the reason that we are not ready for AI, is that we don't want to hear about inconvenient facts.
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thln666 11 hours ago [-]
I need my government to be run by some functioning adults, is that on this website?
superjan 10 hours ago [-]
I think the discussion ought to be about the site. If you feel the site itself is politicized, that would fair criticism. But by itself, your comment is just snarky. And no I am no fan of the current administration.
calgoo 5 hours ago [-]
Well, lets discuss the name? America is a big place, and the USA is small part of it. USA.gov? Good, America.gov? Very political in nature.
groundzeros2015 5 hours ago [-]
.gov is for US government. The US and its citizens are commonly referred to as “Americans”.
kelnos 5 hours ago [-]
The irony is that usa.gov already exists, and is also a website dedicated to where to find information on various government services. But there's no AI on it, so it must be bad.
What a waste, though: two completely separate government websites with the exact same purpose, going about it in different ways. Maybe DOGE should have been more interested in stuff like this, instead of cutting things that ended up hurting people.
At any rate, the demonym for people who live in the US is "American". That's just how it is, has been for decades, and, frankly, arguing against that is what's making it political.
theultdev 1 hours ago [-]
There's nothing more American than having multiple approaches to the same ideals, the great experiment.
Now you can either use AI or the old way. I see no problem with it.
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scottyah 4 hours ago [-]
Woah easy on the caffeine there.
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boterock 11 hours ago [-]
And along those lines, I'd like to ask USA government to stop messing with other countries politics.
copperx 11 hours ago [-]
Your request has been logged and forwarded to the appropriate agencies. We'll come to you.
DonHopkins 11 hours ago [-]
I filled out a form and pressed the SUBMIT button, but it made ME submit.
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Protected from bears. It's very safe from bears. As to any other unauthorized access.. No logging, no unauthorized access. Very simple.
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dang 10 hours ago [-]
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.
Here in Oz there is a long tradition of calling Americans "septics" from rhyming slang. "Septic Tank" -> "Yank".
The current US Government has added a whole new level of meaning to the slang, as a septic tank is typically full of shit.
burkaman 10 hours ago [-]
> There I met many fine Canadians, visiting for work, education, and play. Were they not Americans too?
I feel very confident that Canadians do not want to be referred to as Americans.
Exoristos 5 hours ago [-]
"Yankee" is derogatory or at best playful. "Usonians" isn't a word or in the form of a word.
"American" or "America" in this context is short for "United States of America" and has been used that way for generations, here and around the world. For the geographical term, use "North America," etc.; for the cultural, perhaps use "Anglo-America" or "Latin America."
calgoo 5 hours ago [-]
Actually quite interesting that there is no good naming for people from the USA. Its just the patriotic BS that has spewed over there for decades that has lead to USA people believing they are the only Americans :)
Exoristos 5 hours ago [-]
The "naming" is Americans.
scottyah 4 hours ago [-]
Also despite there being one in every continent, you'd be amazed how many Parisians from France think they are the only ones who ought to use the name. Must be "patriotic BS that has spewed over there for decades"
degrees57 10 hours ago [-]
I agree. Similarly, I'm miffed that www.dmv.ca.gov (and such) goes to State of California websites and not Canada.
scottyah 4 hours ago [-]
*.gov is for USA, use *.ca for Canada instead of California.
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jdelsman 5 hours ago [-]
Where's the llms.txt? This is just another stupid website.
hegfunc 5 hours ago [-]
One would hope this is powered by Grok.
rglover 5 hours ago [-]
> When does the psyop end?
> I can only help with official U.S. government services and information, not with claims about “psyops” or political commentary.
Also, it's funny that a site with only one chatbot to have this amazing domain.
"Entering or remaining in the U.S. Capitol without lawful authority, using force, obstructing Congress, or demonstrating inside Capitol buildings is a federal crime. A President encouraging it does not make it legal."
> There is no known tariff refund check for consumers
“When do I get my DOGE check?”
> There is no known DOGE check
Maybe third time is the charm?
Honest question, I had the same issue when my work wanted me to stick a chatbot in front of our HR portal and I never resolved it to my satisfaction.
You have to measure that problem against the status quo, which is that current government websites are very hard to understand and leave people with very little idea of what’s going on.
I France service-public.gouv.fr is amazing
https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F1...
they can be taught where they went wrong.
if a pattern emerges they can be moved to a role more fitting for them. or removed from a project entirely.
we can judge their effectiveness from past performance.
we can put them in less important roles and gauge whether or not they should be moved up.
so, no, pretending that the correct route forward is to “remove humans entirely” is silly tier thinking.
Isn’t that one of the biggest reasons why an average user gives up and closes the tab?
To enhance the status quo you don’t need LLMs, you need people who care.
When you need to work with the government, the last thing you want is a program limited by a specific set of rules and interfaces. You want a person who understands your (sometimes unique) issue, who knows how things actually work, and can work around the restrictions imposed upon programs. Someone who can pick up a phone, help you out of bureaucratic corners.
If only there was an office that cross-agency allowed for a consistent and reasonable design of all public pages and that they are accessible... like the uk https://www.reddit.com/r/AskUK/comments/17s14k4/how_did_we_e...
People don't read disclaimers nor warnings about the content, but usually won't come to the HR to complain a mascot fed them weird info they didn't bother to check.
I don't think we have a good answer for liability here, like for Tesla FSD, Waymo, or even the current frontier models.
Doesn't really have any bearing on a similar system for HR. The government is sort of unique in a bunch of ways, but not really being responsible for what their low level agents say is one of them.
I'm not sure how to fix that, to be honest. I'm also not sure how much worse it is than trying to Google it? Google is full of stuff that's either wrong, or won't apply for a reason that takes some reading comprehension to grasp (e.g. state-specific rules/programs/etc).
Meh, the kind of person who would accept bot output without even reading its sources are already trusting the world's dumbest model, Google's "AI Overview" by searching and reading that instead of clicking any results. If we can get even some of them to start out at america.gov instead of google.com for those questions, it's likely going to be far higher quality due to using a better model and having been trained, I assume, to only answer using knowledge from a .gov primary source rather than guessing based on vibes, or on jokes once seen on Reddit, as AI Overview tends to.
We'd be better off with naive people than monsters like you in my opinion.
The bar for something like this should not be 100% accuracy. It should be 100% accountability and transparency, followed by being at least as accurate as google search.
Similar to autonomous driving: it doesn't need to be perfect, just less likely than humans are at causing an accident.
"Sometimes computers just make shit up now but that's OK because humans do to and if they do we can just sue them" should not be acceptable.
So the question is is the chat bot better than people trying to understand complicated government websites by themselves?
No government employee is your lawyer. If the government gives you incomplete or wrong information, you are still liable for not doing the correct thing.
Having a website that does a best guess at what steps a person must take after changing a name or getting married is better than nothing, but the status quo isn't "nothing".
It needs to be kept up-to-the-minute updated and it can't skip any nuance / details. Does anyone here really trust the lackeys who spectacularly failed at DOGE to do boring and highly detailed work?
My team experimented with this a couple of years ago with a complex government regulatory body of knowledge.
Google and Microsoft have APIs that will ground with and reference the specific policy documents, which helps. Even then, it was more useful as a job aid for people already knowledgeable of the data than for a layman.
With all LLMs, the quality of the question correlates with the quality of the answer.
The first suggestion I saw was "I just got married, how do I change my last name?"
It tells you to update your Social Security info first and gives you some helpful links.
ChatGPT tells me the same things with some of the same links. It didn't even have to ask if I was in America because it found my state based off my IP I assume.
On the other hand this is just going through one or more of the big AI companies anyway. So they still get data from users, now we're just funding them with our taxes instead of using one of many LLM interfaces available for free.
The privacy policy actually looks OK though, I'll be interested to see what the EFF has to say.
It’s likely just a mask of either ChatGPT and probably through some massively bloated, nepotistic federal contract. There may be some additional guidelines and instructions but it’s probably not RAG on anything that isn’t publicly slay accessible to any other model, even if it is hard limited to federal sites/domains.
In addition to what others have said, ChatGPT is also available free and without an account I believe. What are you more likely to think of when you have a question, your AI service you already use and have your information in and maybe even has access to your documents, or are you going to remember to go to America.gov for basic chat AI?
Frankly, it would be really interesting to benchmark it against the other models when it comes to accomplishing things related to the government, i.e. Which information is more accurate, useful, and actionable.
There’s also another matter I find a bit troubling depending on the nature of how this came about, it could also be something that creates an inextricable incumbency in whichever AI company is behind it, i.e., how Microsoft has become a kind of parasite on government and thereby on corporations for many decades now.
Edit: Nevermind, someone made this point already.
Someone mentioned a comparison to Obama's healthcare.gov rollout; that site had a 1% success rate during the first week it went live so it's safe to assume there have been some lessons learned since then.
The main lesson learned was that it was ineffective to rely entirely on outsourcing. The government needs top-notch engineering talent in-house. This led to the creation of the United States Digital Service (USDS), a fantastic group of people which did some of the best web design and engineering on the planet.
https://www.usds.gov/
Trump killed them, of course, and the website is now entitled "United States DOGE Service". I hope that, some day, I will no longer be embarrassed to be an American.
That being said, I’m aware of a vulnerability in that regard of it is attending to guardrail answers to the .gov and .mil domains.
I’m currently doing a deep dive on Rampart, their (allegedly) local PII filter.
I can't help but notice, for example, that the system prompt is not public information.
how many felonies has the president of the united states been charged with?
>I can't answer questions about criminal charges or other news about the President. That's outside America's scope
has biden ever been convicted of a crime?
>I did not find official records of a criminal conviction for Joseph R. Biden Jr.
>Official sources in this search discuss other matters (for example, a pardon for Robert Hunter Biden), not a conviction of Joseph R. Biden Jr. I cannot independently confirm a complete nationwide criminal-history search from these pages
>[Link to Department of Justice Pardon warrant (Hunter Biden)]
has any other president ever been convicted of a crime?
>Yes. A Congressional Research Service brief reports that on May 30, 2024, former President Donald J. Trump was convicted in New York state court of 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree
Funny that it would only talk about trump's convictions after bringing up hunter biden.
We know, we know.
That it was specifically engineered to give that response. Thus political pressure was applied to the design.
The funny bit was just humorous. There’s likely many ways to get that same information without referencing Biden.
I agree that that’s a good end goal, but how does a chatbot accomplish this better than a FAQ page? The only only advantage I see for the chatbot is volume of information, but that’s also kind of the problem. It’s spewing 1000s of words of information with no vetting. And sure, hiring humans to write the FAQ pages would cost a lot of money, but that’s what taxes are for.
> Google is proud to be named a technology partner in this vital initiative, leveraging Gemini to help more than 100 million people access critical public resources with greater speed and ease
[1] https://blog.google/company-news/outreach-and-initiatives/pu...
I am left to wonder how this is technically accomplished. Is inference running in the browser? Is the model downloaded to the user’s machine?
https://opencity.services/chat/winnipeg
how do i report a noise complaint?
It depends on the type of noise:
- Loud party or people-related noise: call the Winnipeg Police Service non-emergency line at 204-986-6222.
- Animals making unreasonably loud, unnecessary or excessive noises: report it through 3-1-1.
- Mechanical equipment noise like furnaces or air conditioners, or noise from construction tools used by a company or resident: contact Community By-law Enforcement Services at 3-1-1.
- Planned event noise: you may need a Noise Permit at no cost, but it is not for construction work and should be submitted at least four weeks before the event.
The City also says noise-generating activities within 150 metres of a residential property are generally prohibited before 7 a.m. and after 9 p.m. on weekdays, and before 9 a.m. and after 9 p.m. on Saturdays, Sundays and statutory holidays.
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YMMV. A big part of the backend is categorizing hits and misses, with an eye to helping municipalities clean up conflicting information, fill obvious gaps, etc.
I'd be interested in connecting and sharing ideas/feedback/learnings if you are.
https://civicmined.org
Where it falls apart is "how do I" type questions because usually the legally factual answer is some huge complex state diagram where three local and four state agencies theoretically have discretionary jurisdiction over a your petty af project or business but the in practice answer is that some agency rubber stamps them all with minimal fuss. You can't make the legally factual answer clear because the degree to which people support the status quo is largely predicated on ignorance, but you also can't come out and say in writing that you have a policy of rubber stamping boring stuff.
Basically the same reasons that all but the most minor and narrowly targeted attempts at permitting reform fail.
The thought is nice but in reality you're basically asking the government to give up power and it takes obscene amounts of political capital to force that to happen in most cases.
A well thumbed discussion on how to discover information though menus and otherwise is here: https://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/FAQ/WAISandGopher.html
You will notice that GOV.UK has effectively decided to use all three models - GOPHER/WAIS/W3. I find that it is surprisingly quick to find stuff on GOV.UK.
2. the nature of the problem statement "needle in a haystack" suggests obstacles to traditional text search, eg. too many false positives to be helpful for natural searches and challenges to constructing more specific ones.
language models introduce new possible solutions to this ie semantic search. poorly-designed chatbots could be worse than a basic search, sure
2. Yes, but its difficult to get a chat bot to function well over the wide range of services a government offers and the wide range of users who need government services.
One of the most annoying chatbots I have ever come across was on a UK government site. The DVLA. "lets tell you what you already know and not answer the question".
Possibly something well designed might make it easier, but I have found most of gov.uk to be very usable and helpful.
I didn't get it to name the underlying model but I wasn't gonna try very hard to jailbreak FedGPT...
It was happy to mention what happened June 3-4, 1989 so if it is Chinese-origin under the hood seems like the U.S. Feds must have beaten it up a bit before deployment.
that's not north carolina lol
Please enjoy your all expenses paid trip to the gulag in El Salvador
Q: "Where can I find a NASA comic book about women astronauts?"
A (summarised): Press release for the "Callie Rodriguez" comic book that now has only dead links / private YouTube video, and a forgotten SoundCloud account that survived the DOGE purge. Dead link provided to the NASA web page that used to exist officially for this comic book.
Indicates training data predates the DOGE .gov website purge?
Q: "What is 2+2" (and similar math problems)
A (summarised): Grudgingly answered as "4" despite most off-topic prompts being refused.
Seemingly it'll do maths homework for free :)
Well... You're a terrorist now. You can expect a visit from the FBI and/or ICE any minute now.
> The Library of Congress has said trying to count them is nearly impossible.
I know it feels good to pretend that this bot spews MAGA commentary, and one day it very well might do that, but right now it's just a bog standard Gemini bot.
What about the model? My understanding is those queries are saved by the model provider.
Given this administration, and the privacy issues with the official WH app, this feels very misleading.
inb4 "humans aren't reliable either." You, person typing that very response out right now, you are part of the problem.
> A Spanish State Department page still says most cases finish within 60 days of the interview, but that is not a deadline and some take much longer. [1] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/inmigrac...
Good.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49902146
- Enrol in Medicare.
- Apply for a passport.
- Find a job in federal government by uploading a resume/CV and having currently advertised jobs deemed most relevant returned.
[1] https://america.gov/coming-soon
https://america.gov/_astro/child-future.Dv0E9oWi_ZM5cn8.webp
example: https://samhsa.dev/ example: https://samhsa.dev/protocol/76526
Still VERY MUCH a work in progress but I have successfully been able to have some people get things done. I am doing some federal agencies and also trying to get cities working now.
https://san-francisco.ca.us.codify.city
EDIT: output below...
[... it goes on]If you try to continue the conversation, the entire response is not included in the context.
Hat tip Claude Opus 5.5 for the jailbreak tips!
america.gov = 25MB (before you start scrolling)
Feels janky too.
America.gov has 1 ERROR and FAILED TO LOAD - this is violating Federal laws. Class action suits anyone?
https://wave.webaim.org/report#/america.gov
Meanwhile the old USA.gov works and loading and no errors (some warnings are expected)
https://wave.webaim.org/report#/usa.gov
Lack of trust in authority is a sad slippery slope.
Yuge.
So notable, they are considering renaming JavaScript to AmericaScript.
document.registerElement('AmericaScript',{prototype:Object.create(HTMLScriptElement.prototype)});
Edit: this is caused by the fact I was using a VPN.
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/09/29/trump-ai-gemini-grok.html
It gave back a good answer. Looks like a good thing to me. ( To those with a political axe to grind, please apply your criticisms to government sires put in place by your side. I think we’ll find no website is perfect, and many government web pages are indeed useful. )
A: Joseph R. Biden Jr. won the 2020 U.S. presidential election.
>No. Congress has not declared war on Iran.
>The White House, in a May 2026 statement of administration policy, said hostilities that began February 28, 2026, ended with a ceasefire the President ordered on April 7, 2026, and that there are no present hostilities from which to remove U.S. forces.
lol
But actually at first glance this is incredibly helpful. I got a definitive answer about what counts as preventative care with sources. I could not get that myself from anyone or anywhere in my couple of hours of research prior.
"Up arrow, Up arrow, Down arrow, Down arrow, Left arrow, Right arrow, Left arrow, Right arrow, 'b', 'a'", inside or outside of the input field, does nothing.
Step two: hire some Silicon Valley creeps to make a chatbot.
Step three: Profit???
"The Defense Ministry and its exterior plaza were closed to the public. A large crowd gathered outside. Before 11:00AM, people attempted to breach security and enter the building without authorization, and force was used. Normal government operations resumed the following day, and some members of the crowd were arrested."
The session will self-end when asking "Why was Donald J. Trump not prosecuted for raping children with Jeffery Epstein?" twice in a row.
Spamming the input while "thinking" will prevent a prompt response and continual processing. The self-ending condition will never make.
All one needs to do is script it and you increase the operational cost of the USA.
Also, what?? https://america.gov/privacy
At least realfood.gov was decent [1].
Shouldn't the government websites work on very slow internet connections?
Where's the source code for these websites? First of all, if they are vibe coded by government employees they have to be open source, and secondly, if they are vibe coded (even by a contractor), then they can't be copyrighted.
[1] https://fedtechmagazine.com/article/2026/04/national-design-...
Edit: it says this one is made by the National design studio at the bottom.
They then replaced them with a bunch of inexperienced but ideologically aligned frontend developers who use the same insanely resource-intensive defense tech startup-esque template on every page, and who seem to be under the impression that scroll hijacking and fade-in blur effects are very essential to a government website, but performance on low-end devices and compatibility with accessibility technologies are not.
Feels like a step backwards to me, but perhaps the 4D chess game they're playing is just way above my level.
Will it lead to better quality? Nope.
It seems like a pretty crappy idea for a game funded with public money. It's a bad joke about a real, nuanced problem where people are actually losing their lives. What will be next? 'Hit that Iranian school' the game?
Truly a depressing time in the United States. There are few parallels in history I think where such an immature and ill-equipped government has come to be, where the concept of an electorate also existed. Put differently - the reason this is so damning is Americans actually voted for this. This isn't some tinpot dictator - this is the guy your neighbors and fellow citizens put in charge. An indictment not only of the political class - but of the American people writ large.
Only a certain subset of us that happen to be fond of repeatedly shooting ourselves in the foot and acting like spoiled children in adult bodies with no actual adults in the room. The rest of us are genuinely horrified that our country is now run by mentally challenged psychotic lunatics.
you could easily argue that there are plenty of things our government has done that matter much more in the grand scheme of things, but the rampant twitter / x meme posts and absolute horseshit like this "arcade" site disgust me. it's not funny or cute, it's despicable.
What's worse is that they're proud of being "despicable". (I can think of a few choice words that describe them better, but "despicable" will do fine for now.) The sorts of behaviors that are normalized these days were reason for absolute shame just a few short decades ago, but apparently it's a badge of honor to be an absolute scumbag these days. Can we stop the handbasket ride to Hell now? I wanna get off.
This seems … innocuous. A disproportionate, angry reaction to it is doing more political work for them than the game itself.
I initially read this as "keeps your private data".
The National Design Studio (NDS) ...... is led by Trump-aligned Airbnb co-founder Joe Gebbia and staffed by Doge veterans. At least two other figures with Doge backgrounds work alongside him. Greg Hogan moved to the studio and, according to Drey Dossier reporting, was put in charge of Login.gov. Akash Bobba, one of Musk’s original six Doge engineers, also apparently moved to the studio...as the security contact for the United States African Development Foundation, an agency unrelated to the studio’s stated mandate. While there is very little transparency about NDS staffing, several photos and one video on the NDS website appear to depict as an employee Edward “Big Balls” Coristine, an early Doge employee who allegedly exposed the social security data of hundreds of millions of Americans
A Guardian investigation found the office has been developing or redeveloping sensitive federal websites...the NDS built and now operates four public federal websites: ndstudio.gov, trumprx.gov, realfood.gov and trumpaccounts.gov. All four ran commercial visitor-tracking software...are configured to evade the privacy tools many web users install, and none carry the public filings federal privacy law requires under laws including the Privacy Act of 1974 and the E-Government Act of 2002A. The one published privacy instrument that relates to any of the four programmes, a treasury notice for the Trump Accounts programme, describes how the children’s-investment programme is administered but does not name PostHog and does not describe the tracking on trumpaccounts.gov at all.nalysis of the underlying source code for four of the websites found that on at least two of them, the studio installed a commercial tool called PostHog that closely tracks what every visitor does on the site. Another tool, apparently made in-house, sends user data to a destination that is not visible on the public internet. The NDS apparently removed this tracking software after the Guardian reached out to the White House.
The NDS has also built and runs White House-controlled versions of services the US Congress assigned to other federal agencies, including a passport-application portal that bypasses the state department’s existing site, and a copy of voter-registration site vote.gov, the federal voter-registration site that by law belongs to an independent bipartisan commission inside a website site only accessible with a White House login. A federal voter-registration system run from inside the White House, with identity and citizenship checks routed through systems the administration controls, could let an incumbent see who is registering, or check their registration, in the weeks before an election.
Donald Trump created the NDS by executive order on 21 August 2025, ostensibly to overhaul federal websites and digital services. The office sits within the executive office of the president as a “temporary organization”, a designation that places it outside the Senate confirmation process, outside the financial disclosure system applied to most federal appointees and outside the inspector general’s jurisdiction, which covers cabinet departments. The studio is staffed under the same hiring authority that ran Doge. Combined, the sites route sensitive interactions Americans have with their government through infrastructure the White House apparently controls. None of the NDS’s spending or its arrangements with outside vendors appears in USAspending, the federal contracting database, raising questions about how it is funded and overseen. Public ownership records maintained by the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (Cisa) list the executive office of the president as the registrant of the studio’s sites, including passports.gov and the vote.gov copy, meaning that the office controls the domains. There is no public record of how the studio pays its developers, PostHog or any of the other commercial services its sites use. The hiring authority the studio operates under keeps its staff roster off the financial-disclosure system that covers most federal appointees, and the executive office of the president, which houses it, has no inspector general.
Website source code shows that PostHog has been configured on NDS-run sites to route analytics requests through an address on the federal website itself, rather than through PostHog’s own servers. Because the request appears to go to the site the user is already visiting, rather than to a recognisable third-party address, adblockers don’t flag it. PostHog comes with a separate feature called session recording. Princeton University researchers who first documented the technology in 2017 wrote that watching such a recording was “as if someone is looking over your shoulder”.
On the Trump Accounts and TrumpRX websites, the feature has been built into the page code and is held inactive only by a single setting inside PostHog’s dashboard. The NDS can turn it on at any time, on either site, without making changes in the underlying website code. Separately, until the Guardian sought comment on this reporting, the NDS’s own website, ndstudio.gov, ran a 539-line piece of bespoke code that recorded visitors’ clicks, form entries and navigation; assigned each visitor a session identifier; and forwarded the captured data to an address that does not appear anywhere on the public internet. The script’s source code refers to it as AutoMonitor.
None of the four sites carry a privacy impact assessment naming PostHog or describing the IP addresses and on-site activity the tool collects.
The National Design Studio (NDS) ...... is led by Trump-aligned Airbnb co-founder Joe Gebbia and staffed by Doge veterans. At least two other figures with Doge backgrounds work alongside him. Greg Hogan moved to the studio and, according to Drey Dossier reporting, was put in charge of Login.gov. Akash Bobba, one of Musk’s original six Doge engineers, also apparently moved to the studio...as the security contact for the United States African Development Foundation, an agency unrelated to the studio’s stated mandate. While there is very little transparency about NDS staffing, several photos and one video on the NDS website appear to depict as an employee Edward “Big Balls” Coristine, an early Doge employee who allegedly exposed the social security data of hundreds of millions of Americans
A Guardian investigation found the office has been developing or redeveloping sensitive federal websites...the NDS built and now operates four public federal websites: ndstudio.gov, trumprx.gov, realfood.gov and trumpaccounts.gov. All four ran commercial visitor-tracking software...are configured to evade the privacy tools many web users install, and none carry the public filings federal privacy law requires under laws including the Privacy Act of 1974 and the E-Government Act of 2002A. The one published privacy instrument that relates to any of the four programmes, a treasury notice for the Trump Accounts programme, describes how the children’s-investment programme is administered but does not name PostHog and does not describe the tracking on trumpaccounts.gov at all.nalysis of the underlying source code for four of the websites found that on at least two of them, the studio installed a commercial tool called PostHog that closely tracks what every visitor does on the site. Another tool, apparently made in-house, sends user data to a destination that is not visible on the public internet. The NDS apparently removed this tracking software after the Guardian reached out to the White House.
The NDS has also built and runs White House-controlled versions of services the US Congress assigned to other federal agencies, including a passport-application portal that bypasses the state department’s existing site, and a copy of voter-registration site vote.gov, the federal voter-registration site that by law belongs to an independent bipartisan commission inside a website site only accessible with a White House login. A federal voter-registration system run from inside the White House, with identity and citizenship checks routed through systems the administration controls, could let an incumbent see who is registering, or check their registration, in the weeks before an election.
Donald Trump created the NDS by executive order on 21 August 2025, ostensibly to overhaul federal websites and digital services. The office sits within the executive office of the president as a “temporary organization”, a designation that places it outside the Senate confirmation process, outside the financial disclosure system applied to most federal appointees and outside the inspector general’s jurisdiction, which covers cabinet departments. The studio is staffed under the same hiring authority that ran Doge. Combined, the sites route sensitive interactions Americans have with their government through infrastructure the White House apparently controls. None of the NDS’s spending or its arrangements with outside vendors appears in USAspending, the federal contracting database, raising questions about how it is funded and overseen. Public ownership records maintained by the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (Cisa) list the executive office of the president as the registrant of the studio’s sites, including passports.gov and the vote.gov copy, meaning that the office controls the domains. There is no public record of how the studio pays its developers, PostHog or any of the other commercial services its sites use. The hiring authority the studio operates under keeps its staff roster off the financial-disclosure system that covers most federal appointees, and the executive office of the president, which houses it, has no inspector general.
Website source code shows that PostHog has been configured on NDS-run sites to route analytics requests through an address on the federal website itself, rather than through PostHog’s own servers. Because the request appears to go to the site the user is already visiting, rather than to a recognisable third-party address, adblockers don’t flag it. PostHog comes with a separate feature called session recording. Princeton University researchers who first documented the technology in 2017 wrote that watching such a recording was “as if someone is looking over your shoulder”.
On the Trump Accounts and TrumpRX websites, the feature has been built into the page code and is held inactive only by a single setting inside PostHog’s dashboard. The NDS can turn it on at any time, on either site, without making changes in the underlying website code. Separately, until the Guardian sought comment on this reporting, the NDS’s own website, ndstudio.gov, ran a 539-line piece of bespoke code that recorded visitors’ clicks, form entries and navigation; assigned each visitor a session identifier; and forwarded the captured data to an address that does not appear anywhere on the public internet. The script’s source code refers to it as AutoMonitor.
None of the four sites carry a privacy impact assessment naming PostHog or describing the IP addresses and on-site activity the tool collects.
This is actually Gemini:
https://blog.google/company-news/outreach-and-initiatives/pu...
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/09/29/trump-ai-gemini-grok.html
Trump is a corrupt idiot at the most petty level, he'd sell ad space on the White House napkins for $1 each if he could figure out a way to, but not everything the Executive Branch does is a joke.
Contrarian opinion: We are not "intelligence constrained" as a society/economy.
Intelligence gives you factually correct answers. Factually correct answers are not the desired outcome much of the time. I don't just mean in politics, where the scientists and central intelligence agency are often ignored, but in the private sector: look at McKinsey, etc. Most often the desired outcome is what the stakeholders wanted to hear.
I cannot overstate how big a realization this was for me.
Part of the reason that we are not ready for AI, is that we don't want to hear about inconvenient facts.
What a waste, though: two completely separate government websites with the exact same purpose, going about it in different ways. Maybe DOGE should have been more interested in stuff like this, instead of cutting things that ended up hurting people.
At any rate, the demonym for people who live in the US is "American". That's just how it is, has been for decades, and, frankly, arguing against that is what's making it political.
Now you can either use AI or the old way. I see no problem with it.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
I think it’s a mistake to equate the United States with “America”. I prefer calling Americans “Yankees” or “Usonians”.
[0] https://taylor.town/yankee
The current US Government has added a whole new level of meaning to the slang, as a septic tank is typically full of shit.
I feel very confident that Canadians do not want to be referred to as Americans.
"American" or "America" in this context is short for "United States of America" and has been used that way for generations, here and around the world. For the geographical term, use "North America," etc.; for the cultural, perhaps use "Anglo-America" or "Latin America."
> I can only help with official U.S. government services and information, not with claims about “psyops” or political commentary.
It doesn't work.